GSC Auto with 2 BAD comments on them. AVOID


Link http://sgblacklistcardealers.blogspot.com/2012/09/gsc-auto-services-2nd-time.html

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DO not send your car to GSC Auto for any service or repair as many of us have learnt our hard lessons there. To begin, they will try all means to get you to send your car there, via promotion or simply telling you that it will not be too costly to send your car in to check out the problems. Once your car is there, they will start off by saying that further diagnose is required by removal of certain part and it will cost additional $$. Once you fall in for this trick they will follow on to say that certain part of your car may also be having problem or needs certain type of servicing. At any point during this process if they sense that you are reluntant to take up any of their offer, they will use their ever-famous scar tactic on you or offer you another package. This is a workshop to avoid at all cost.

To those unfortunate car owners who have bought the Groupon offer in recent months, please hang around in the workshop during the servicing to ensure that they service your car as per the agreement and handle your car with care. I have observed how bad their PRC workers handled the cars during the servicing and it's definitely not something one would expect from a ISO certified workshop.
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  1. I'm new here,just wants to warn everyone about GSC.
    When there for some aircon problem then almost conned into engine overhaul,but luckily that day no money then pay $60 'checking fee' then drove off.I went to another workshop and found out only 'relay' spoil and got it fix for $80.

    This is how they work:
    While the boss(the one with the most cunning face)is talking to his mech,one indian fat,well dress man will try to distract you by trying to sell u this $5000 service package that can turn yr car from 1.6L to 1.8L (???)The boss will teach his mech wat to say to customer.They will say engine got problem need major overhaul around $2000 then u say no $ they will say ok lah just do the important one first.... around $800.The lady boss and some of the staff will be involve in the 'act' too.

    Just avoid this workshop at all cost!

Used car going to rise in price soon.

Below is a report about lemon law which affect used car.

Used car dealers are going to use it to 'increase' the car prices by telling you is lemon law that costs it.

By spending $200 to get an expert to check the car will up your price by 2k? think again.

Car dealers without effective processes or after-sales strategies to ensure the quality of their offerings may experience significant rise in business costs.

 Car dealers without effective processes or after-sales strategies to ensure the quality of their offerings may experience significant rise in business costs.
Consumers may make more assertive defect claims under the new law.
A dealer's profit margin decisions may also need to account for higher provisioning costs for repairs, replacements, reduction in price or even a refund.
Our interviews had discovered some car traders, in particular official new car dealers, are already making very serious efforts to ensure correct labelling and avoidance of misrepresentations.
We view materials explicitly pointing out limitations or defects to the consumer as a likely imperative for cars and many other goods, new or used.

Source: Business Times © Singapore Press Holdings Ltd

SGcarmart giving tips on buying used cars

Buying a used car can be tricky business. Here are some things to look out for to avoid getting tricked into making a wrong decision.

With car prices the way they are in Singapore, purchasing a car here is a big decision that involves a significant amount of money for most people. This applies to sellers as well, and unfortunately, there will be some black sheep out there that would want to maximise their profit using unscrupulous methods.

So, in order to prevent yourself from unnecessarily parting away with more than you have planned for, here are some things to look out for when buying a second hand car in Singapore, to avoid getting tricked.


Tampering with the odometer

An illegal practice in most countries, it is surprising that there are no specific laws guarding against this act of deceit in Singapore.

As such, some sellers take advantage of the situation to modify their car's odometer, to make it look younger and less used than it is.

While it might seem like a superficial practice to some, the truth is, winding back the clock (as the trick is known) is plain and simply cheating.

For the fact that cars have regular servicing intervals, having an odometer that doesn't tally with the actual usage might actually be harmful or even dangerous, as owners end up not giving the car the appropriate care as befits the car's age.

While it can be hard for the layman to spot odometer tampering at first glance, there are signs that one can look out for to indicate if such practices are being used.

On average, cars in Singapore travel about 20,000km annually. Taking that into account, one can get a rough estimate as to the proper mileage of a car being sold, using the car's age as a multiplier.

The condition of the car can also provide a clue. If a car with low mileage looks tatty and worn, then there is cause to raise red flags to question the validity of the claimed mileage.

The safest bet is of course to look for a car with all the proper records and documentation such as the mileage and servicing intervals, so that everything about the car, from whether it has been properly maintained, is noted down in black and white.


Extra hidden charges

Like all major transactions, it is important to know what exactly one is paying for. Therefore, before you sign on the dotted line, make sure that the seller outlines every single charge that goes into the final transacted price.

Dealers often add an "Admin Fee" into the transaction, which is often claimed to be for the handling of paperwork such as applying for loans and insurance. While it is a common practice, it is strictly unnecessary, as dealers already make a significant profit from the cars they sell, as well as receiving commissions from bank loans as well as insurance. 
 However, if you feel that the dealer has genuinely assisted you in making the transaction painless and smooth-sailing, with no underhanded tricks, then the admin fee might serve as a sort of goodwill payment as thanks for their services.

Gimmicks

Only buy a car once you are completely comfortable with the whole experience. Sellers might pressure you into making a quick decision, but always stand firm, and resist from giving in to gimmicks that will compromise your purchase.

Some tricks that dealers might foist upon buyers include advertising a car at low prices but only to claim that the advertisement was a mistake when the customer approaches the dealer.

There are also dealers who advertise their cars for a low price, but then claim that said car has already been sold when customers approach them. These dealers will then offer a similar car but with a higher sticker price than the advertised vehicle. Always be wary of such tricks being pulled by dishonest dealers.

Blank form

A recent trend that has been exposed was the signing of blank forms. When applying for a loan through dealers, they might request that you to sign on a blank portion of the hire purchase form. Although this is meant to reduce the trouble for you to have to make several trips to sign papers, it is a potentially risky move. Leaving your signature on a blank piece of paper leaves the dealer to fill in whatever he wants. You might return to find that the loan amount that you had agreed with the dealer has increased due to some "administrative fees".

To properly safeguard yourself, never sign any blank forms. It might mean a bit of inconvenience for you to make a couple more trips, but it's better than ending up paying a lot of extra and unneeded expenses.

Black and White

Finally, the most important and common advice of all. Always have everything declared and written down, in "black and white" as they say.

Anything written down is contractually bound under the law, and is final. Be sure to read the fine print of any contract before putting the pen to paper, and clarify any clauses you are unsure about, or any doubts that you might have about the transaction.

Make sure you agree to everything before signing off, to avoid incurring future headaches down the road.

Think One Automobile and Trading - Kenny Tan 91853232

 Think One Automobile and Trading (Kenny Tan 91853232)


1st complaint

All bros, I have a nightmare arguing & quarrel with the car dealer (Think One Automobile) to share with everyone here.
I bought a Ford Mondeo MK3 (4 Years plus car) on last year Decemeber (2011) with the mileage of 55K.
The sales man (Kenny) offered me a 1 year warranty of the car with black and white stated on the purchase agreement.
Last month (which is 6 months after purchased) my car broke down in Malaysia and towed back to Regent Motor and found that the Alternator is not working which cost me $1300.
I called the car dealer (Think One Automobile) and end up argue and quarrel with the salesman (Kenny) which is the person i bought the car from.
At first he tried to act blur on the warranty until i showed the purchase agreement. And guess what he told me? Below is the excuses and our conversation.
(Salesman) : The car is warranty only at our own workshop in Sin Ming road not Regent Motor.
(Me) : Ok fine, then i tow my car to your workshop for the repair.
(Salesman) : Oh ! The work shop has closed down, so we can warranty your car anymore.
(Me) : Where got such thing, I buy the car from you not from your work shop, and the warranty document is from your company.
(Salesman) : Oh ! you have drive the car for 6 months already, how can we warranty you?
(Me) : Your warranty is 1 year, what have this to do with 6 months drive? Can you tell me how many months after i drive, the warranty is void?
(Salesman) : Oh ! We warranty only the wear and tear parts, not Alternator.
(Me) : Ok, Then i pay for this Alternator, but my car Tires, spark plugs and all other wear and tear parts is going to replace, are you mean you warranty for these?
(Salesman) : Oh no, We warranty only the Gearbox not Alternator or wear and tear parts.
(Me) : Are you sure for this time ? If the bill from Regent Motor is indicating 'Gearbox' mean you will pay for it ?
(Salesman) : You dont force me on this, We can't warranty you.
(Me) : Is your company dont honest on the warranty or you yourself dont honest on the warranty ?
(Salesman) : 'Very frustrated' Ok ok ok, I admit we just want to sell the car and giving empty promise and warranty to buyer. (Very loud).

To those people who intend to buy a used car from this car dealer, please re-consider again and take my case for example.


2nd complaint

I bought my can from them before.full cash! 
But 2nd hand la.was told that warranty was 1 month.
2 weeks after getting my van,vehicle broke down.alternator and radiator spoilt
Went to workshop recommended by them,cost of repair 800.argued till they paid 50%.

 


GSC Auto Services

Car Workshops with the name of 'CHOPPING BOARD' 
Not known why they are not in SGcarmart.com where ALL car related businesses are featured.

GSC AUTO SERVICES

Below are their websites



Admiralty Area: 
10 Admiralty Street, #01-12, Northlink Building, S(757695) 
Tel: 6452 0100, 6753 4139 
Fax: 6752 9420 
H/p: 9023 4126/ 9001 9174 

Sin Ming Area: 
176 Sin Ming Drive, #02-04, Sin MIng Autocare , S(575721)
Tel: 6553 0459 

THE BOSSES - (Mr Soh 90234126)


They are promoting on Groupon recently. (Already 234 bought as on 26/6/2012)
Please read the below FEEDBacks before buying one.

Extracts from hardwarezone on 22/6/2012. 
Car plate number removed.


Have you ever encountered this type of terrible car-service experience?


I drive a Nissan Presage and in Feb 2012 I sent my 6-year-old car to GSC Auto Sin Ming for a comprehensive service, I was told that it needs an engine-overhaul and cost more than a thousand dollars. The car was absolutely smooth before this as it was well maintained by the agent Tan Chong Motors, but I was told that this is needed to ensure that it runs smoothly for the next few years. I took the advice and paid accordingly as the COE is high and I need to use the car for some important events middle of the year.

Within 3 months the overhaul, in May 2012 the engine stopped working for a few seconds while I was on CTE high-way, I sent the car to GSC Auto again and at the same time for another full service. This time I was told that it cost more than a thousand dollars again to replace some parts that were previously not detected. I was assured that this time there will not be any issues. As I need to use the car for some important events end of June I reluctantly paid.

One and a half months later this morning my car could not be started. This is possibly due to battery being exhausted but I am surprised that the full service last month could not detect this. When I asked GSC Auto to come and take a look, I waited for more than 2 and a half hours before a staff call me back and informed that if they come they have to keep my car for a few days as they are quite busy this period. I therefore could not use the car during my important event, I am clearly crushed and may have to call another workshop.

The above event is true, my car number plate is xxxxxxxx. One lesson is that I possibly should not have gone to GSC Auto or any workshops other than the agent. I was trying to save my family some money during hard times but it may have been a wrong choice.

Any advice, please share.


An extract from sgsubaruclub.com on 17/04/2012


I when to GSC due to overheating, first they tell me need to do top overhaul which cost $1800 and leave my car there for 4days. 2days later call me up saying overhaul done but now got 7hose need to change which cost another $350 which I also agree. 4th day morning call me say I can collect my car the next day but evening call me again say cannot collect because there is some problem after the test drive and they need another 3days to do everything again, which I also agree. 5th day they call up again saying my petrol tank is dirty need to clean up cost $180, which I also agree as I only want my car to be good. 7th day call me up telling me they have to install one set of system to my ignition then my car can be repair, Which cost me $2500. Which mean my bill is about $5000. I rush down and told them I don't want ignition system and wanna collect my car. I bill for about $2,500 and drove off about 100m, found out that it's still overheating. Went back ask them they say everything done but I only can drive slowly (very slow). WTF I spend $2,500 and u tell me I can't drive normally. I threaten to call police, finally they say will refund me full amount. I toll my car to BMS, later found out that GSC didn't even repair anything to my car and even damage my petrol tank. Still dare to bill me $2,500. At last BMS fix my car in just 5days...

2nd complaint on AllBest Motoring - 18 Kaki Bukit Road 3 #02-16 Enterprenuer Business Centre - ANDY TAN 92222512

I wish I could have read this post before. I can attest to that. Same company, same dealer and same bad experience! Myself to blame for not doing sufficient homework before I signed on the dotted line.

His good points:
1. very responsive in terms of answering my calls. always sounds like ready to serve.
2. came to my house several times to get my signatures on documents.
3. let me test drive the car (withing the car park compound)
4. delivered almost every thing that he promised

His bad points:
1. when issues arose, very slow in answering calls.
2. providing false information on the car's specifications on the advert on sgcarmart. When queried, secretly amended the advert.
3. claimed the car had full service history with the AD here. Requested him to print out the service history when the car was sent to AD for maintenance service, he claimed that the AD refused to provide service history to dealer like him. Personal check with the AD after taking over the car revealed that the service was done by the AD only within 3 year warranty period. There was a blank period in the AD's records before the car was sent to the AD for service again as per my request before I signed on the dotted line.
4. he recommended both the Obank and Ubank for car loan. Initially I chose Obank, however, he requested me to choose Ubank, saying there was no early redemption penalty. When he presented the bank loan papers for me to sign, it was clearly stated in the letter that the Ubank would charge a penalty for early redemption, I pointed this out to him, he still denied, saying that his banker had told him that there should not be. It would be more costly and time consuming for me to switch banks at that time, no other choice but LL signed the papers.
5. he promised to provide 3 month warranty on the car and yes, he delivered but it turned out to be warranty on the gear-box only. Very sure that he did not mention warranty on gear-box only when we negotiated for the car purchase. And guest what, repair cost to be shared equally.
6. charged me admin fee of $500 which was never mentioned to us during the car purchase negotiated. Managed to negotiated down the price after several rounds of heated argument.
7. Got some issue with the car immediately after taking over and went to his in-house workshop as per his request. The WS boss initially told me the issue was not gearbox issue and could be repaired but a bit costly. After the WS boss talked to him and the WS boss changed his stand and concluded that it was a gear-box issue. Therefore, I needed to pay half of the cost if I were to repair.


And yes, he drove the cars that were put on sale every time he came to my house. Maybe his is the boss?

So, for brothers and sisters out there, please beware, engage him at your own risk.

Odometer tampering cases on the rise here

TODAYonline.com
Consumer watchdog Case seeing more such complaints as second-hand cars sales soar
by Sumita Sreedharan


SINGAPORE - When he first bought a second-hand Toyota Camry last July, he was told by the second-hand car dealer that it had been driven 60,374km. The car was brought to Toyota's authorised dealer Borneo Motors for servicing soon after, where official servicing records indicated the car's mileage was 140,056km instead.

"I was shocked to find out that the car's odometer had been tampered with by as much as 80,000km," said the buyer, who wanted to be known as Mr Aw as the case is pending before the authorities.

While such complaints appear rare compared to others lodged by consumers, more cases concerning odometer tampering have surfaced in recent years, according to consumer watchdog The Consumers Association of Singapore (Case).

Six cases of odometer tampering have surfaced this year, one more than the total number witnessed last year. There were nine such cases in 2010, and two cases in 2009.

With buyers snapping up second-hand cars in record numbers as a tight supply of Certificates of Entitlement makes new cars too expensive, some are concerned that odometer tampering may go undetected.

Accountant Charles Chong, 35, said the authorities should do more to stamp out odometer tampering.

"It is not only unethical for the car dealers to misrepresent the car, it is also a matter of safety," he said.

Mr Aw felt that most people with cars that are three years or older do not usually send their cars to authorised dealers for servicing, which means they would never know if they were cheated or not. The 32-year-old financial consultant has filed a police report against the second-hand car dealer and a police spokesperson said investigations are in progress.

If the dealer is aware that the odometer has been tampered with and fails to disclose, the dealer would be misleading the consumer and thus be in breach of the Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) Act, said Case executive director Seah Seng Choon.

Case advises consumers to protect their interests by insisting that the car dealer produce a technical report on the vehicle from a reputable workshop to certify that the car is in good condition and that the odometer has not been tampered with.

According to Case, some of the common complaints against the motorcar industry include misleading claims, defective goods and unsatisfactory service.

There were 1,258 complaints against the general motorcar industry last year, an increase from the 1,232 in 2010. In the first five months of this year, Case has received some 741 complaints against the motorcar industry.

Even photocopy ic can be misused.


Tue, May 13, 2008
The New Paper
HE trusted a friend who claimed he could help him get a bank loan easily and at a lower interest rate.
Mr Sanmuga Many Sanmugam, 35, almost paid a high price for being naive and trusting.
Not only did he not get the loan, but he ended up having two maids employed under his name - without his knowledge.
His personal details were misused by someone after he handed over photocopies of some documents and his SingPass password to his friend.
The photocopies ended up with maid agencies, to process work-permit application for two maids. His SingPass was used to access his CPF account online to pay the foreign worker levy.

CURIOUS
The sales executive's problems began after he sold his four-room HDB flat in Woodlands in January. As he needed a bank loan to buy another flat, he approached a friend for help.
'I had never applied for a bank loan before and I thought my friend could help me,' said Mr Sanmuga.
'He said he knew someone working in a bank who could help me get a loan easily and at a lower interest rate.'
His friend told him he needed copies of his personal documents and Mr Sanmuga gave him everything, including his wife's identity card, their marriage certificate and even copies of their three children's birth certificates.
His friend also asked Mr Sanmuga for his SingPass - the password for online transactions with government agencies - so he could check his Central Provident Fund (CPF) account balance for the bank loan application.
'I was curious why he needed even the birth certificate copies of my children, but he said it was necessary for the bank to know my family's background,' said Mr Sanmuga.
'I was reluctant to hand over my SingPass, but he told me to trust him.'
Mr Sanmuga said he had known this friend and his family for a year and had visited his home, also in Woodlands.
'I thought everything was all right since I knew where he lived. I was naive to trust him with my personal information,' he said.
He became suspicious when a month passed and it became increasingly difficult to contact his friend.
Finally in late January, after much hounding, his friend told him the bank had refused his application.
Mr Sanmuga demanded back the copies of his personal documents, but his friend did return them.
'I quickly changed my SingPass and checked my CPF account, and I was relieved to find the balance was correct,' he said.
'But alarm bells went off in my head when he continued to make excuses not to return the documents,' recalled Mr Sanmuga.
His worst fears came true when he went back to his previous flat to collect mail and found an acknowledgement from the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) for the receipt of a banker's guarantee of $5,000 for a foreign domestic worker.
On the letter was the name and address of a maid agency, Best Home Employment Agency.
He called the agency, and was told someone called 'Geena' had employed a maid on his behalf, using copies of his documents.
'I was upset. How could the maid agency allow a third party to apply for a maid under my name without my signature, with no verification?'
After his complaint, the agency agreed to cancel the employment of the maid.
He said his attempts to reach his friend on the phone failed, and he could not meet him either.
Mr Sanmuga then lodged a police report to state that he had never applied for a maid, and that he had given his friend his personal particulars.
But he was shocked to receive another letter dated 6 Feb from the MOM asking for outstanding payment of the foreign worker levy.
Then came yet another letter - from the CPF Board, the fee collection agent for MOM - informing him that his inter-bank Giro for the domestic foreign worker levy had been approved.
But the bank account on the Giro application did not belong to Mr Sanmuga.
When he went to the CPF Board, another shock awaited him. He found out from an officer that a second maid was employed under his name.
'I was angry and frustrated. The situation was worse than I had thought,' said Mr Sanmuga.
On 31 Mar, two more letters from the MOM informed him of a 'change of address' for the two maids hired under his name.
Next, Mr Sanmuga received a payment advice from the CPF Board, indicating someone had paid the levy in March.
The final straw was another letter from the CPF Board approving the Giro application for the second maid.
He went back to the CPF Board.
After explaining the matter and handing over a copy of his police report, he was shown a copy of the original application form.
The application had been made using his name, but the bank account holder was one of the maids hired under his name.
'The application form had her full name, her bank account number, her handphone number and even her thumbprint,' said Mr Sanmuga.
He made a second police report.
On 16 Apr, he called the maid's number and convinced her to meet him at Woodlands MRT station.
'I explained that I had been cheated and that she had been hired under my employment without my consent and knowledge,' he said.
'She said she was living in Toa Payoh with her boyfriend, a Singaporean, but refused to disclose the exact location,' he said.
'I told her it was illegal for her to do that since she had been hired under my name, and persuaded her to meet my wife and me to discuss a way to resolve the matter.'
She agreed and Mr Sanmuga called the police.
When the maid showed up, Mr Sanmuga handed her over to the police.
The next day, he received a call from a woman identifying herself as the maid agency owner.
'She kept insisting on meeting me to settle the matter personally, but I refused,' he said. He lodged another police report when she repeatedly SMSed him and called him on his handphone.
The police confirmed the three reports and said investigations are on.
The MOM is also investigating the employment agencies involved in the two maids' foreign worker permit applications.
'I regret being so naive to give my personal information and my SingPass to someone I thought was my friend,' he said.
'I want the public to learn from my bad experience. I thought I could save time and money, but I ended up wasting a lot more time and energy trying to get myself out of this mess.'
'I was curious why he needed even the birth certificate copies of my children, but he said it was necessary for the bank to know my family's background. I was reluctant to hand over my SingPass, but he told me to trust him.'
This article was first published in The New Paper on May 11, 2008.